A blast from the past? Why aren’t carrykegs more popular?

A little shorter (hurrah, you say) and lighter from me this week. Hands up if you know what these are? I say that in the full knowledge that a lot of beer drinkers, certainly those over 40, will know that they are carrykegs, used for taking home beer from the pub.

I still use them a fair bit and I was prompted to write this piece after strolling into one of my locals with a carrykeg to grab a takeaway. A woman in a group eating at one of the tables was staring in my direction and stopped me as I passed: “I haven’t seen one of those in a long time.”

That’s the main point. They used to be quite common and I find it a little odd that they aren’t still. More than anything, I’m surprised pubs don’t make them available or, if not them, then the two-pint cartons that are like milk cartons.

The old carrykegs hold four pints and have a breathable push-down cap. The beer will keep overnight, just about, but they’re really for consuming the day or evening you buy the beer.

You would think pubs would still make them available, because they need all the help they can get in these tough times and if I or anyone else takes beer home from the pub, that’s beer I’m not buying in a supermarket. Or from another pub, for that matter. To me, it’s a logical situation: I fancy a few pints but either I’m driving or I’ve got stuff to do at home. Ideally, I’d like to spend the evening in the pub – at least, this way, the pub sells the beer and gets the money they would have got if I’d stayed (and if they’re busy, someone else can have my seat)!

However, since writing the first draft of this piece, I have been reminded that the biggest reason pubs don’t set out to sell beer in this way is that a change in the law made it very complicated for them to do so… yes, it’s yet another way in which legislation and red tape – not this government’s, before any one jumps in – stands in the way of pubs at a time when they need all the help they can get.

My thanks to Emma Cole, of the Burton Bridge Inn and Brewery in Burton. She writes: “It was legal to do so until March 2025 I believe. On duty submissions it counts as smallpack so we can do it if we go and amend our beer duty submission to reflect that it was sold, so we pay the right rate. It’s also not simple to do. As pubs don’t have this option it means it can only be done at venues that handle their own duty, like breweries.

“The info online about it has been really unclear but though selling takeaway is permitted under licensing rules, every pint sold will be paying the wrong duty unless the brewery amends their earlier submission. I hope some clear communication happens soon as someone could easily get in trouble as the rules are so unclear.

“I do worry when I see places still offering it and hope they won’t get in trouble. There is hardly any info online and not many are going to read through excise duty notice 226 as it’s very very long.”

So there you have it. I didn’t set out, in what was meant to be an innocent reflection, to suggest pubs should ignore this obscure and, you would think, wholly pointless legislation. However, in my experience still using my carrykegs, I would guess that if a regular customer is known to a publican, chances are a blind eye is going to be turned and you’ll get to take home a few pints of your favourite beer…

  • Finally for now, many thanks for the engagement in this fledgling blog so far. I still need to get my head around making it better to look at. The next subscriber (at the time of writing) will be the 50th and I see there’s been an upturn in people following the Facebook page. Thanks, too, to Paul Gibson of Derby Camra for mentioning it in their latest newsletter and to my fellow beer blogger Ian Clarkson for giving me a plug on his more well-established site. I’ve no great ambitions to hit big numbers but I do have a fairly long list of subjects to go at in the next few weeks.

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2 responses to “A blast from the past? Why aren’t carrykegs more popular?”

  1. spookymangob392210dc2 Avatar
    spookymangob392210dc2

    Hi Colston

    It is illegal now to sell takeout beers unless the pub has paid the higher duty rate on the beer purchased from the brewery.

    Confusion on draught beer duty rules ahead of change https://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2023/07/confusion-on-draught-beer-duty-rules-ahead-of-change/

    Click on the link above to read more. A lot of pubs do not know this rule and I have not heard of it being enforced.

    Cheers

    Andy

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    1. loudlyc19a02f300 Avatar
      loudlyc19a02f300

      I wasn’t aware of this either but it is a perfect example of unintended consequences. The aim was to protect the sale of beer in pubs and a carry out is just that. The consequence is the sale is illegal. Historically pubs commanded the off sales of drink with very few dedicated off licences in existence apart from specialist vintners. The brewers handed over off sales to supermarkets and dscounters with consequent loss of margin and of the community value of pub visits. Think of the off sales at the Blue Boy in Chaddesden where the social activity while waiting to be served must have matched that inside the main pub area.

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